
Do you see anything wrong with this picture here? Well...considering most people who visit my blog are from North America (of which most are not 'desi'), you might not actually see anything wrong with this. For the few desi readers visiting my blog - you might notice the 'fine print' on the label that says "Memories of Kashmir". The obvious issue being that this highly stereotypical portrait of India has got it's stereotypes backassed. I.e. Stock-photo camel portrait of the desert-state of "Rajasthan" instead of the mountainous regions of "Cashmere...". Come on President's Choice (Canada's 'upper-class' no-name brand - no joke), can't you get your stereotypes right?
Why am I bringing this up? Well, because damn it, I'm about to make a few of my 'foodie' friends damn happy - I've come to see the 'pro-side' of the 'food authenticity' debate and it only took one damn post and discussion by a bunch of mainly gora people at Pandagon to get me thinking.
So, in this post I'm going to go out on a limb to make a case "for" valuing the 'authenticity' of 'ethnic cuisine' and hopefully get you to 'racialize the everyday'. In my search for a meaningful debate about the 'authenticity' of food - I have yet to come across an entry that isn't about 'cultural abstractism', so I am getting my structural-materialist thoughts together to move away from that 'abstract' realm.
In this post Amanda dissects an article of an interview with Glassner (of the blasé "Culture of Fear" fame). I'm going to gloss over the whole Glassner bit (as it is kinda meh) and head on straight to some of the key points made by Amanda and the Pandagonians.
The central thesis of Amanda's post (and it's consequent discussion) is based on this one idea (Quote Amanda):
I wanted to see what Glassner would say about the search of authenticity in food, because I think in a lot of ways such a search is both doomed and can be intimidating to people who are learning to cook. It instills in people a fear of experimenting or tweaking recipes because they are afraid to get it “wrong”, and naturally, that could and can lead to stifling creativity. Food, like art or music or literature, shouldn’t be categorized into strict ethnic categories that don’t bleed into each other for fear of contamination.
I have to admit, just before I read this statement I would have agreed with it - but you know when someone else says it or when you read something - it just doesn't sit well with you? Well, this is precisely what happened.
The main question I have to ask is: "Who are these people that are afraid of 'experimenting'? Are they men, women, white, majority? In which case, is their fear of 'experimenting' of any consequence? And if not, at what expense?" And this is how it starts and this is where even I think my 'leftist looneyism' is taking a leap and running with it. So these are just my ideas - I do encourage debate, so please feel free to share your ideas about this if you want.
So why is this problematic in my opinion?
1) On culture in a bottle (cultural commodification): Considering that there are more than 100s of 'ethnic' shops in the majority of larger North American cities, why does something like President's Choice "memories of" sauces do so well? It's because it's a 'memory of'. The name itself conjures up visions of the uncontaminated glorious pasts of third world countries. Old world means 'authentic', and in this case 'authentic' plays directly upon orientalist notions. The logic being "You are our past, we are your future".
In a globalized world 'other countries' are what "WE" were like in the PAST. I.e. a society NOT based on order, rationality, meritocracy, technocracy and logic - but rather this thing called "CULTURE". Culture in this case becomes this 'abstract thing in the corner isolated from other socio-political phenomenon.' It's not based on any level of 'sanity' it is based on loyal and unquestioned dogma a 'primitive and collectivist' way of thinking. Whereas, our world as we know it - depends on our 'rationality' and 'individuality'. Imperative to our individuality is our ability to 'consume', i.e. we buy our 'identitites' essentially. I'm reminded of a friend I had a long time ago - who was a hard-core punk-rocker. She wouldn't wear certain clothes only because they weren't 'punk', she once admitted to liking Radiohead - but wouldn't buy a CD by them to my disappointment. Likewise, I now have friends who would 'pay up - to dress down' (picking clothes off the rack with the holes already built in).
So, how open you are to trying new foods is somewhat related to your 'class, education' & thereby social network, i.e. not that we only eat certain things in order to 'look a certain way for others'. Obviously, this is not exclusive. But having said that - food is also related to your 'intelligence, wealth and social status'. I.e. if you look good to your friends when you eat Thai food, imagine how good you look 'making it'. If people a few years ago were all into the 'arts' by visiting such and such art gallery to drop names about dead, white, male artists, IMO food has now taken it's place. Case in point, there are more Thai restaurants in Toronto than there probably is a Thai population (most of these restaurants are owned by Chinese owners).
This is all well and good - and as Amanda rightfully notes, there is 'yuppy element' in food selection - BUT might I add this has nothing to do with yuppization of 'authenticity'.
2) Socio-economic class divisions: This leads to my second point, why is 'authenticity' not about 'yuppization'? Well, simply because yuppies aren't going to Chinatown on Saturday to buy their herbs, spices and other 'exotic' food products. They in fact rely on President's choice brand, Patak's, Thai Kitchen or other Western based food producers to get pre-blended red curry mix, chicken tikka masala, 'curry flavour' or ramen noodles at their local convenience store. This is the near-equivalent of buying a twinkie to replace a homemade angel food cake.
And this very factor gets to the heart of the 'politics of consumption'. You don't go to the ghettoized neighbourhoods to interact with the 'locals'. You get your upper-middle class sanitized western based producer to BRING IT TO YOU. You get to take a little piece of the 'exotic' home with you. You could go to Chinatown and probably buy a pre-made mixture that is similar to this premade goo in a bottle... but...
3) Geopolitics: There is something to be said about going to Chinatown, or little India, little Thailand, or whatever - to buy the actual ingredients for your 'pad thai'. See in a city like Toronto - I do often go to Chinatown to buy produce - but there is a 'fear factor' when it comes to buying anything else. Most of the products have labels I can't read - when there is an English equivalent I don't even know what it is that I'm buying simply because - I'm so used to knowing things by their Western name! Being vegetarian doesn't help because I'm always concerned about what's actually 'in' my food (this point will be revisited later). Only recently, in a conversation with a friend, did i embarassedly discover that despite eating 3 different kinds of 'chinese dumplings' every Chinese New Year - I don't even know what they are freakin called! Shame on me, really.
I too, end up buying whatever I can find at my local loblaws if I plan to make a vegetable & tofu stir-fry.
There is also something to be said about 'urban geopolitics'. Historically, POC across North America and I'm guessing Europe (countries with histories of white surpremacy) certain districts and neighbourhoods were reserved for certain people - and not everyone had the opportunity to move into 'white neighbourhoods'. This obviously continues with indigenous populations to even today. There is definitely a certain element of 'self-segregation' among immigrant populations, but I don't know how it would be if 'racism' didn't exist.
4) Ghettoization: The benefits of this 'segregation' foster the phenomenon of 'urban sprawl' - i.e. as a fairly non-politicized MOC friend of mine noted the other day "A, you know if we (us south asians) all moved to Richmond Hill (suburb of Toronto) these guys (white ppl) would all move to Ajax - and you know that's exactly what's happening. The more we get into their neighbourhoods - the more North they move."
I couldn't help but admit that was one of the most brilliant observations I've ever heard to describe the phenonmenon of urban sprawl. You know kids the city is full of dangerous people... Another friend of mine (also non-politicized) white woman noted, "I don't think I want to go there alone, you know those neighbourhoods are quite dangerous. It's mainly because it's all these new immigrants..." And I cut her off right there. She apologized for the implication afterwards when I told her Richmond Hill was full of immigrants - who were wealthier than either of us - of course these groups are all 'model minority' Chinese and South Asian.
This brings us back to a point that I can never comment on enough - POC are good for their labour (unseen of course) but not as neighbours... 'eat the curry - don't live with the curry-maker'.
5) Capitalism and Ease: Another thing about this 'yuppiness' factor is that real yuppies anyways, aren't going to the hole in the wall the local cabbies go to on their break, no, they usually 'dial-a-delivery' or eat at a chichi place. So the psycho-social benefits a yuppy gets out of eating 'exotic' cuisine - is also dependent on which 5-star restaurant s/he gets it from. Again it becomes about how culture can cater to you as a consumer.
It's very similar to the travel industry. Speaking of which - you have to check out this lovely interactive 'tour of Sri Lanka' by the artist Sakun Samarkoon. Tour takes about 7 minutes, wait for a few seconds before changing the days (something interesting happens to each photo).
6)Orientalism/Exotification: Hole in the wall vs. 5-star. It's not necessarily true that a hole in the wall is going to be more 'authentic'. It will for sure be a lot cheaper. But a 5-star restaurant - depending on it's location and it's predominant clientele WILL often 'self-exotify' itself. I've noticed in smaller cities like Ottawa (where dining out really sucks - sorry), most 'ethnic' restaurants are intricately decorated with the things you'd never see in a restaurant from the originating country. I remember going to this one Thai restaurant in Ottawa and it was full of 'tourism' posters. You'd never see that in Bangkok. The few really big restaurants do have nice silks etc... But never quite like the restaurants you see that have a primarily 'white clientele'. Okay, if you don't get this point - check out this lovely restaurant "The East India Company" infamously named after the EAST INDIA TRADING COMPANY - only the one time OWNERS of the entire indo-pak region... And I don't think the name of this restaurant is simply some pomo gone badly awry. I do have to admit they do make a lovely daal makhani. It would be quite interesting how the name would play out in a place as heavily populated with south asians as toronto (notice none of their locations are in cities with a huge south asian pop?). Check out this very insightful review by a food critic who notes the colonialized elements of another restaurant in Ottawa. From the article:
Is all this leaving a bit of a bad taste in your mouth? Maybe like me you think colonial pasts aren't something to be taken lightly? (This is particularly true of Portugal's role in Mozambique.) Yet Nando's marketing shtick (www.nandos.com) seems to be all about irreverently celebrating the Portuguese "explorers and settlers" as adventurous souls who knew how to live, love, eat and drink.
7) Random thoughts on health, nutrition and 'balancing': So, when we assume we are eating 'ethnic food' for the taste there are two things to consider healthwise:
a) you are probably only eating the ethnic foods that are the most popular items that have been preselected for a "western palate".
I can speak for Indian restaurants - the food there is equivalent to what we would eat at a damn wedding. That's why oddly enough you'll usually find pasta salad or pad thai at indian weddings. We're all so tired of eating the same shit everytime we go out to eat at an indian restaurant that we've run out of ideas of what to have at our own weddings in diaspora-land.
As Mandos notes here: "I find that a good Ethiopian restaurant is more like eating homestyle Indian food than Indian restaurants with the exception of southern Indian restaurants. Yes, there isn’t all that much relation between what you get at Indian restaurant and what gets eaten at home on a daily basis.".
So, essentially - you're eating a hell of a lot & not getting much of a nutritional benefit from it (as is for most restaurants in general, too).
b) As the world gets more 'globalized' our knowledge of food preparation (likewise with other indigenous and local forms of knowledge) is slowly diminishing. We are becoming far more reliant on companies who's main incentives are 'profit' over health. In fact the most 'fittest' people I know - are also the ones who spend time cooking their own food. As our diet is changing and we keep working longer hours - we end up eating a lot of 'pre-processed crap'. Cooking isn't just about 'taste' but rather 'nutrition' and ideas of how the body works.
When they say chicken soup is good for you when you have a cold, I don't think they were just 'making it up'. Similarly the bulk of Indian and Chinese medicinal systems were dependent on FOOD and NUTRITION of all things. The principles of hot and cold/balancing/herbs for cures and ailments.
Since as long back as I remember my mom has used 'turmeric' for treating many cuts and bruises. We even drink Kadhi in winter to ward off flus (it's got a lot of turmeric in it). My dad couldn't help but burst out laughing when western medical science recently "discovered" how turmeric was a 'cancer-fighter'.... Um, okay.... well then.. Thanks for the insight. Slowly such 'naturally available TASTES' are being replaced by laboratory created flavours (probably used in the pre-packaged goo we eat). Link to very interesting and scary article.
If anything - this could be one of the key 'arguments' for authenticity IMO.
8) Food of the weird other.... ooohhh somebody put a link to one of those 'what freaks eat type articles' on the pandagon thread. Fer goodness sakes, to vegetarians whether you eat maggots, rats, cats or SAUSAGES it's all the same. This element always makes me laugh real hard, because as much as the food yuppies eat is 'exotic' it's also 'weird' and 'different' and therefore a curiosity to be bought/owned.
9) Did I already mention the politics of labour division? Oh what the hell... I'll repeat myself using this lovely example from my FAVORITE show of all time - "Goodness, Gracious Me!". In this episode (only watch the first 3:55 mins) the troop does a take-on the British tradition of going out for an "Indian" on a regular Friday night:
This example comes complete with 'sexualized, other waiter' (because MOC bodies are sexually objectified as well).
I'm not saying that 'playing with your food' is 'racist' (that's a long stretch even for me - afterall I always add ketchup to ALL my 'curries' and HP sauce acts as a wonderful substitution to sugar-laden tamarind sauce) but rather that the debate about 'food and authenticity' expands beyond "authenticity" and ends up illustrating another example of negligent 'cultural appropriation' and furthers the capitalist 'cultural' commodification machine.
Okay, not buying what I've said? Then consider this, interesting is it not that President's Choice "PC Memories of Dad's Grill" is made of all things Canadiana: Maple, Apple & Beer Sauce. My dad only knows how to grill papad in the microwave no less...Recommended reading: Distinction: A Social Critique of the Judgement of Taste by Pierre Bourdieu (skip over all the statistics - yawn and get to the real 'meat' of it - great, great read for sure).
I am not a 'food studies' anything (but I am a pretty good cook!) - and have only recently gotten into reading a bit about it. If you have any recommendations, comments or ideas - please do share, I would love to learn more - feel free to debate this (that is if anyone manages to even read this) in the comments.
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17 comments:
1.) Those bottled sauces are an abomination. For the kind of people that think "Kashmir" is mostly a Led Zeppelin song.
3.) What do you make of the "fusion" trend?
you know, I realized I hadn't mentioned anything about this. It's really hard to say. I think with fusion (especially eating at restaurants) - a lot of stuff just gets lumped together - like "pan-asian" cuisine...
So though I think it's funky, creative and delicious - it just goes back to the idea of "what do you really KNOW about the cultures/countries/spices/people/languages etc... of the foods you consume"?. What the hell is 'pan-asian' anyways?
Sometimes it has to do with the 'availability' of naturally growing foods in a new country - but in North America that's really not the case. Indo-Chinese cuisine arose out of the foods that were avilable and the fact that many Chinese live in India.
Hell, most people in North America don't even know where Kashmir is on a map. I know in India most of my cousins have all of the world's capitals memorized by heart, can point it out on a map and will occasionally tell you the names of the prime minister/president and/or the biggest export from that country. Here, I've dealt with telephoning people who assume (and I'm serious) that Canada is covered in a giant glacier. It goes back to the idea that anything 'old world' isn't worth learning about and this of course is based on ideas of white supremacist capitalism (we're better than you - what could you possibly have to offer us).
So, this isn't about a 'good' or 'bad' thing - it's just another example, amongst the myriads of ways that we 'appropriate and commodify the 'other''...
I am someone who makes a sauce out of chillis, garlic, orange juice and soya sauce - bottles it and throws it in the fridge, so I really should be the last one to speak - but I don't think what one does in their own kitchen really matters much. It's when it becomes an institution unto itself and saturates the world that it really starts to matter.
Oh, I dunno that our lack of geography skills is a White Supremacy thing. Honestly, something like two thirds of the country can't even name all the state capitals, or place all the states correctly on a map. We don't know our own country, let alone anyone elses.
Good point, but ignorance 'is' part of the problem. So such lack of knowledge about 'other countries' coupled with lack of interest in anything that happens outside of one's own country - is an element of 'amerikkkan imperialism' (and thus, by extension white surpremacy).
Why should a country that 'owns' (directly or indirectly via trade embargos) a good portion of the world really care about what happens 'elsewhere'. Meanwhile because 'amerikkka' embodies the ideals of power, most countries often know the 'geography' of the usofa..
Oh, a lot of this comes down to glorified ignorance. "We don't need no book-learning, 'cause we're Americans!" I totally agree with that.
FWIW, I grew up in a house that was half-American, half-Persian, so I've got really conflicted ideas about cultural appropriation as it applies to food. Which is to say, it's hard for me to feel like I'm appropriating foods I grew up on, even if I get the funny looks at the Persian grocers. I mean... maybe I am, but... hell... food is food. I like to EAT! :)
ooh - i like the way you coined that ""We don't need no book-learning, 'cause we're Americans!"... It summarizes what I'm trying to say.
I know - like i said this is even where my own 'leftist looneyism' goes off the deep end. But, honestly - I've been mulling over this for a while now - so had to put pen to paper. Also, I tend to internalize conversations that I have with people who disagree with me - I want to see what they are seeing. I guess I like to question why I feel like I should automatically say 'no'" to another pov without thinking about it.
My response to 2 of my friends was basically 'it's food - who cares - let's eat!'. And they were so surprised I didn't see it. So, I'm questioning it - but everytime I've tried to research this topic - I have yet to come across any 'materialist' interpretations of why 'people push for authenticity' when food is in fact a hybridity. I mean most 'middle eastern' flatbreads and Indian flat breads - have similarities. For the longest time, we have been eating store bought tortillas instead of rotis. And so I agree - a large part of cuisine is in fact 'hybrid'.
I don't think it's 100% or absolute, but I guess I use this as an example of yet another way 'culture' is bought/sold and celebrated by whites who want a taste of the 'other'. Like restaurants that have hyper-orientalist takes and bottled sauces that are for the 'white consumer'...
That's I guess where I am trying to get at.
I don't think it's 100% or absolute, but I guess I use this as an example of yet another way 'culture' is bought/sold and celebrated by whites who want a taste of the 'other'. Like restaurants that have hyper-orientalist takes and bottled sauces that are for the 'white consumer'...
That's I guess where I am trying to get at.
Oh, and I totally agree with all that.
And, I thought the "wedding food" assertion was dead on.
A wonderful, wonderful post again, Aradhana. I was also thinking of the fact that how it's only a very artificial combination of Punjabi and Mughlai food that gets to be called "indian" food throughout North America. You know, whenever I go to any American city, I try to find Bengali restaurants hwich would serve some good Bengali food--like dal, some light fish curry, mixed veggies etc. etc. But I must say, I have been mostly unsuccessful. So I am also thinking about it--how "India" or even a "South Asia" is constructed in diaspora through the public cultures of food.
thanks zooey, I wasn't feeling too confident about this post and my formulations - so I'm glad that you found it interesting.
Another thing that really has always bothered me is the undertone of 'multiculturalism' and the idea that 'you're open-minded' because you 'appreciate the song/dance/food' of a culture - the all singing all dancing multiculturalism that politicians love - and one that directly ignores the lived social/political realities of people.
Like yourself, - with the exception of one restaurant in NYC that I found - I am unable to find the cuisine of my 'indian region' either. I can't wait to visit india next year - I'm gonna get my nani to make a zillion dishes for me!!! PS in toronto there is a large bengali pop - but no bengali restaurants that I know of! I know there are a few bangladeshi-bengali restaurants here though.
england is finally allowing 'indian' restaurants to market themselves as eg bangladeshi (when in london and the se most 'indian' restaurants are run by bangladeshis). in the midlands with anglo-punjabi and anglo-pakistini communities, they have been marketing themselves as such for longer. of course the 'indian' cuisine of england is a whole new fusion (and very wonderful at that, tho personal preference is for the product as available in birmingham and perhaps coventry).
I had to laugh when in kerala, the waiter was surprised i as a brit was eating pure veg and ordered off the menu: ' do you have curry in england?' 'yes! it's our national dish; i'm just glad to see you have it here' (slightly puzzled look as he tries to work out if i am joking or merely insane. i explained we ahve a lot of bangladeshi and bengali people in london - he is very sad: ' oh dear, bengali food; no taste...' his respect lost as soon as it was earned (well only in jest).
i just hope people will work out whether kashmir is in india or pakistan soon...
I know a few Bangladeshi-Bengali restaurants too. But other than a couple in LA( I have heard it's different in NYC, but I have never been there), most of them serve the same freaking "Indian" food. How is it at Toronto, do you know?And about that multi-culturalism you talked about, that's something that's so ingrained in North America. I still remember when I first TA-ed for an Intro to Ethnic Studies class, one of my students said, " I thought I am going to learn about all the different cultures.Instead, you guys are talking about race all the time." And that, I think, pretty much sums the whole thing up--as you have said, the apolitical notion of "culture" which is so prevalent here.
I haven't been to any bangladeshi restaurants in Toronto (it's a city that is quite spread out - and there are no such restaurants near me), but I would say most restaurants are predominantly the standard north indian fare.
I wish there was more diversity!!! I know the numbers of my ppl are small and I know that the food would be tooo 'weird' for people for it to sell well!!! maybe even most diasporic indians for that matter! LOL
I LOVE the irony in that quote zooey - it's very true about the expectation of what is "indian" and what isn't...
What I hate is the kind of 'internalization' of these ideas too. I don't like bollywood (for that matter hollywood) - and for the longest time my south asian friends called me "white washed" as such.
Those 'arbritary' lines that are drawn about what constitutes 'normal' behaviour... such a shame!!!
I wrote about your post.
I have to say, a few years ago I was attending a wedding out West, and you know how desi weddings go, so for days I had been eating bhagare bangan and biryani and was getting sick of it, and it was a relief when at the reception, they had decided to cater with a Thai restaurant...
Also, I am told by a friend who has travelled in Thailand that Western Thai restaurant food is much less different from authentic Thailand Thai cuisine than, say, American Chinese is from China Chinese.
You know, I think yuppies in the states go to those local markets and then use that as a badge of how "cool" they are, among other things. Your examples didn't seem to jibe with my experience. Like, in my experience, those who only try the Westernized example of a cuisine would probably middle class every day Americans.
Although I am not Desi (I'm Jewish) your description of the wedding food made me chuckle with recognition, as I have been to an Indian wedding or two and I have been to my students house and had straight up Gujarati food (mmmmm) and I've seen the difference. The only restaurants down here that I've seen that have been not the usual fare have been Nepali restaurants and Dosa houses.
There is like a prix fixe (sp?) Gujarati place in NYC called Vatan that has divine food, but it is upscale, and what do I know. It's a place for a treat.
None of this detracts from any of your points, it's just that yuppies down here try to out authentic each other.
And my opinion about authentic food is that there's no fear involved. You can cook whatever you want, but if it's not authentic, then it just isn't. It's still food, but you just can't call it authentic.
Thanks for posting this!
Leah,
thanks for posting, maybe the yuppy thing is not always the same in every city (most 'yuppies' i.e. young urban professionals I know don't have time to cook let alone search for ingredients - most dine out in "clean" dining establishments which are usually located near their home). I would guess that is the vast majority of yuppies not the 'few' who do dabble in one or two dishes here in TO. It's funny because they would watch something like 'iron chef' but seldom get the time to cook.
I guess instead of talking about "yuppies" i.e. only young people with money (I really shouldn't have used the term in hindsight - it's good you pointed this out). I'm going to go further and generalize the rest of my points which I think apply to marketing of ethnic food & consumption in general especially with upper & middle class white ppl, for example the memories of ___ series that I posted.
But I think that might be the 'rarer' few who do that. I am guessing vast majority of white middle & upper middle class people prefer to buy the pre-pkgd spices (that's why you can find Italian/dressing spice" in a bottle, or the recent "greek herbs" etc...). Note how caesar salad and italian dressing seem to be 'invented' in the USofA by Italians....
There's of course the rare few people who speak more than 1-2 languages as well and those are worn as badges sometimes... but then the majority of people don't tend to do that.
PS - I love Vatan! It's one of my favorite places to dine - and yes, I think it's pretty 'authentic' for what it's worth.
I think you hit the nail on the head. It's the general middle class white culture that does this kind of commodification.
Some peoples did it to themselves before others could get to it (Italians, Greeks, Jews, etc.)
The audience is the same though.
Then of course you have the re-authenticization period. (Let's rediscover real mozzarella and balsamico, etc., etc.) And then there's the "organic" movement. (Our food is better than the authentic version because we use only "organic" ingredients!)
It's all treating culture as a commodity, rather than a real, lived entity with a history.
p.s. Vatan is one of my all time favorite places I have eaten. Alas, I have been banned from dairy by my doc, but I think I would risk the annoyances that follow eating dairy just to eat there again!
Leah, you are being unreasonably cruel - every mention of that place makes me green with envy. I recall this one time that I went there (from Toronto) and didn't get to eat there BECAUSE THEY WERE BOOKED FOR A WEEK!!! I've learned my lesson - a table is reserved before I go there. BTW you can ask them for non-dairy stuff - a lg pt is non-dairy (I think).
I think there is an important element of 'organic' eating - especially if it's locally produced. Sometimes I wonder if I'm eating real food when it tastes so much like plastic!!!! But yeah - it has become a 'fetish' without principle for a lot of ppl (i.e. when it's not about local production or other pro-environment reasons... etc..)
Bon Apetit!!!
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